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 Post subject: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:29 pm 
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Image displaying it's massive size.

What is Luna?

Luna means "moon". Taiyoh has several "layers" called "Stars"; two main ones are Taiyoh itself standing for the sun which never moves, and the second one being the Star Flagship Luna acting as the moon surrounding the Earth. It is the Flagship of SAI and also the pride of Taiyoh's forces. It can fly through the air, float on water, and even traverse UNDER water. It's a large ship used for various things. It was a major asset to Taiyoh during the Taiyoh-Chi war acting as a ship to transport troops, civilians, weapons, vehicles, and so forth. Lately, it's following the SAI Soldiers who are investigating in Legion territories for various reasons. In comparison to the Guardian Airship, the "Grand Nuage", it is much larger able to carry the ship itself inside it's hangers. It has external weapons for attacking enemies from the air, from the waters, underwater, and even defenses inside. It was finished shortly before the climax of the Taiyoh-Chi war several months before SAI was created. It's production began 20 years before the Taiyoh-Chi war even began.

It's main purpose.

It, as stated before, serves as the SAI Flagship and is a large, powerful part of Taiyoh's defense and offense.

Current Location: #1, April 6th 2011

It is flying towards Reala Thorn's location of Area K/Area β. The reason why is officials aboard the ship took note of the fact that she's traveling close to a Forbidden Zone marked by Legion. Their plan is to land in the waters off the coast of Area K distanced as far away off the coast as it is from Area β.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:16 pm 
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. . .

Do I have a problem with Taiyoh having a flagship? No.

Do I have a problem with it being a powerful airship? No.

Do I have a problem with it being an amphibian ship? ... It's a bit of a stretch, but it might be acceptable.

Do I have a problem with the airship's size? This thing is larger than Ouroboros!


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:01 pm 
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The size I personally had a problem with, but I figured I'd try it anyways. One thing tho, is Ouroboros is made of Model W's. It's not an airship that had 20 years of construction in the Technological capital of the world.

But I could shrink it down a bit. I still intend for it to be able to hold the Grand Nuage inside of it since this thing basically holds all of Taiyoh's military power, forces, etc. and was one of the key factors in the Taiyoh-Chi war.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:07 am 
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That's still insanely big. To put into comparison... Remember the opening scene from Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope? Yeah... Remember that Taiyoh is not the Empire.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:20 pm 
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Taiyoh isn't the empire, but this ship is basically their entire fleet. It transports their soldiers, vehicles, and so forth. If this thing goes, they're stuck with anything they just happened to forget to take aboard which I see as a fair trade for it's immense size. (Nevertheless, I am going to shrink it down sometime soon)


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:49 pm 
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It's not very... strategically sound to put all of your resources in one vehicle which is basically just one gigantic target. It might as well have "BLOW ME UP" painted on the side.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:05 pm 
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If the ship has a "BLOW ME UP" sign on it, it might as well have a "DO IT. I DARE YOU" sign on it. Y'know, it's like trying to attack the SWAT with a Pencil. You'd need somebody on the inside, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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Arby wrote:
The size I personally had a problem with, but I figured I'd try it anyways. One thing tho, is Ouroboros is made of Model W's. It's not an airship that had 20 years of construction in the Technological capital of the world.


No, Ouroboros isn't an airship that required 20 years of constuction. It's the ultimate Biometal that required centuries of planning and set-up to complete.

Arby wrote:
If the ship has a "BLOW ME UP" sign on it, it might as well have a "DO IT. I DARE YOU" sign on it. Y'know, it's like trying to attack the SWAT with a Pencil. You'd need somebody on the inside, etc.


Except that while the airship is away, the enemy can simply bombard the capital while it's completely defenseless. I don't recall a single country or nation attempting to mobilize the entirety of their armed forces at any point in history. What makes it worse is that you basically claimed that you're mobilizing Taiyoh's entire armada for the sake of a single soldier. With teleportation technology and smaller vehicles at their disposal, this is nothing short of overkill.

There is also the fact that every nation on the planet is associated with Legion. If Taiyoh dared to threaten anybody with this airship, the armed forces of all the other countries would swarm it like African bees. Taiyoh would be the Libya of this conflict.

And finally, the size is still a major issue. Zan told me recently (with some uncertainty as he couldn't check ZX Tunes) that the Grand Nuage is 300 meters long. This would make your airship several miles wide. The resources to build and maintain this airship would be immeasurable, and the energy to keep it running even more so. This isn't the X series where energy wasn't an issue, and it isn't the Legends series where Quantum Refractors are available.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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Again, Ouroboros was just made of a bunch of Model W's. Even if they were made to come together, it still doesn't outlaw the fact that they're just Model W's. Luna was designed to be a massive airship using a lot of resources.

*cough* Taiyoh itself has defenses set up meant to make sure Taiyoh itself doesn't get attacked. (since this is about Luna, Taiyoh's defenses can wait.) The SAI Soldiers and other various projects are joints of the military spread out in Taiyoh. When I say "Whole Military", I mean the ones who enlist for wars, battles, and so forth. In actuality, Taiyoh is similar to a Military State where even the Police could pass for Military (but aren't classified as Military).

And the reason they're near Giga City is because they suspect a Model W. Taiyoh is absolutely obsessed with Model W's as it's what they use alongside their usual power source. They've got multiple Model W's, mainly gained from the Taiyoh-Chi war.

And Taiyoh isn't going to so much as threaten another nation unless it has a reason. Like it's history (again, Taiyoh-Chi War), Taiyoh was attacked first and made most of their military strength during this war mainly to defend itself. Luna was just one thing they made to show Taiyoh's pride as the most technologically advanced game.

Finally the size... I had stated I overdid it and STILL intend to make it smaller, but the point is, the "docking bay" of Luna was made large due to how many people it carries. It could fit the Grand Nuage into it's bay and still have most of it's reserved space. In the comparison image I made, the pink blob that is the Grand Nuage would be slightly bigger than the ZX:EXPANSION logo I made.

Again with the power issues, they rely mainly on the current Energy source, and Model W's.

Aaaaand as for the Model W's, they have multiple which stuffed themselves full during the Taiyoh-Chi war and also feed on citizens of Taiyoh.


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Arby wrote:
Again, Ouroboros was just made of a bunch of Model W's. Even if they were made to come together, it still doesn't outlaw the fact that they're just Model W's. Luna was designed to be a massive airship using a lot of resources.


You say "just made of a bunch of Model Ws", I say "the completed form of Model W, the ultimate Biometal, the symbol of rebirth and evolution with the power to control all life and an endless Maverick army to back it up".

We saw in the games what a single fragment of Model W can do; their power simply pale in comparison to Ouroboros. As a Sage Trinity member, Master Albert set up the entire world for centuries with the sole purpose of feeding all the hidden Model W pieces, using every resource at his disposal as political leader and scientific authority.

Finally, I mentioned Ouroboros as an example of an airborne structure that demonstrates the massive undertaking a vessel of such proportions would demand. The content that makes up Ouroboros does not change this fact.

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*cough* Taiyoh itself has defenses set up meant to make sure Taiyoh itself doesn't get attacked. (since this is about Luna, Taiyoh's defenses can wait.) The SAI Soldiers and other various projects are joints of the military spread out in Taiyoh. When I say "Whole Military", I mean the ones who enlist for wars, battles, and so forth. In actuality, Taiyoh is similar to a Military State where even the Police could pass for Military (but aren't classified as Military).


You said: "Taiyoh isn't the empire, but this ship is basically their entire fleet. It transports their soldiers, vehicles, and so forth. If this thing goes, they're stuck with anything they just happened to forget to take aboard which I see as a fair trade for it's immense size."

Also, soldiers don't enlist "for wars, battles and so forth". The main purpose of the armed forces is to defend the country, therefore all soldiers are inevitably trained for combat situations. If you want a sizeable contingent to board this ship, that's one thing, but to do so for the whole military is something else entirely.

The police can't pass for military because their function is to enforce the law. The military protects the nation.

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And the reason they're near Giga City is because they suspect a Model W. Taiyoh is absolutely obsessed with Model W's as it's what they use alongside their usual power source. They've got multiple Model W's, mainly gained from the Taiyoh-Chi war.


This doesn't justify mobilizing their flagship when a small unit could be sent to investigate suspicious activity.

Arby wrote:
And Taiyoh isn't going to so much as threaten another nation unless it has a reason. Like it's history (again, Taiyoh-Chi War), Taiyoh was attacked first and made most of their military strength during this war mainly to defend itself. Luna was just one thing they made to show Taiyoh's pride as the most technologically advanced game.

Finally the size... I had stated I overdid it and STILL intend to make it smaller, but the point is, the "docking bay" of Luna was made large due to how many people it carries. It could fit the Grand Nuage into it's bay and still have most of it's reserved space. In the comparison image I made, the pink blob that is the Grand Nuage would be slightly bigger than the ZX:EXPANSION logo I made.

Again with the power issues, they rely mainly on the current Energy source, and Model W's.

Aaaaand as for the Model W's, they have multiple which stuffed themselves full during the Taiyoh-Chi war and also feed on citizens of Taiyoh.


That raises the question of why the Guardians didn't detect the Model Ws yet and why isn't Taiyoh overrun by Mavericks at this point.

Use of Model W demands sacrifices; the more Model Ws, the greater the sacrificies. The fragments need to be awakened to unleash their power, and when they finally awaken, they continuously turn machines into Mavericks to terrorize people and keep on feeding.

If this airship uses Model W as a power source, it'll cause Maverick outbreaks wherever it goes and even the crew will feel the consequences. Worse, it can overtake the airship like it did with Spidrill Neo in ZXA.

Finally, I don't think the rescale you proposed balances out the concept, but I'd like to see a revision to be sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:14 am 
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The final size I had in mind for Luna, is significantly larger than Ouroboros itself.

What I meant for the Police, is that they have undertaken training that would be considered military training in entire countries. The reason why is because of the said Model W's turning citizens and machines Maverick. This is a contributing factor to Taiyoh's declining economy, living conditions, etc. It's one of the reasons many people call it a "dying country". Maverick Raids are the norm here.

As for the Guardians not detecting the Model W aboard Luna, well, Luna isn't close enough for detection yet. I also hadn't made this concept before hand, and the only thing I could think of was "It was too far away to detect the Model W."

And as for the reason they mobilized their flagship, well, they want the Model W too damn badly and aren't risking the chance that somebody else will get it if it is. Their Model W can identify it just fine. It's also part of the declining status of Taiyoh; their Military is failing too.

The crew itself does feel the effects to the point where the effects shown, the other crew members don't question it.

Aaaand again, the size I intend to be just slightly larger than Ouroboros.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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This entire concept is just ill-conceived, as I've already said.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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Just make Luna twice the size of The Grand Nuage so we'll all be happy.



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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:01 pm 
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x_x Nooo. Too small for my concept.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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Why do you need a Super Star Destroyer in a Megaman RP?



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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
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I don't "Need" it, I just want it in so I can give Taiyoh SOMETHING other than a Model W and SAI Soldiers as it's defense and offense.


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 Post subject: Re: Taiyoh: Star Flagship "Luna"
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:06 am 
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And why does that something other have to be a Super Star Destroyer?


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